PART THREE: Save Jersey's Interview with Mayor Steve Lonegan
By Matt Rooney | December 15, 2008
"...by the time I'm done putting Jon Corzine through a
campaign, he's going to have to spend so much of his own money, he's going
to have to end up living in one of those COAH housing units he's
building."
Here is the final installment of my three part interview with Mayor Steve Lonegan. I want to once again thank the mayor for taking the time to participate in this extensive discussion about the future of his candidacy, his party, and his state.
I wasn't sure what to expect when we began this interview. Mayor Lonegan and I had never crossed paths before. Everyone in New Jersey politics nurses a strong opinion regarding Steve Lonegan, and it's hard to really come to know a person based solely on radio spots and PolitickerNJ.com articles. But when all was said and done, I found Steve Lonegan to be a sincere, intelligent, and passionate advocate for the principles of limited governance. He has a solid command of the issues and a natural appreciation for the principles that made this nation, and New Jersey for that matter, great. Most importantly, Steve understands and rejects the symbiotic, triangular relationship between systematic corruption, big government and high taxes.
Nevertheless, Steve Lonegan is certainly not the only candidate who believes in these things. By all early indications, the pending GOP primary battle will be one of the most far-right New Jersey intra-party gubernatorial contests in state history. It also remains to be seen exactly what kind of campaign Mayor Lonegan will ultimately mount. I found the mayor to be personally easygoing, witty and down-to-earth. However, the larger Lonegan movement will have to undergo the difficult transition from a hard-right rebellion to a broad-reaching revolution if it hopes to succeed in reshaping an electorate that hasn't given a Republican gubernatorial candidate a majority mandate since Tom Kean, Sr. The content is certainly there. It's now up to the campaign, under Mr. Lonegan's leadership, to package the message in such a way as to rally a majority of New Jerseyans. The task will be daunting, but it's definitely not impossible.
As I've said on multiple occasions, the primaries should give us the best read regarding which candidate can most effectively communicate a message of change and reform to the people of New Jersey. I'm looking forward to the coming months, and I can comfortably dare to speak for Mayor Lonegan and say that he is, too.
On Accepting Public Financing
"I didn't make these rules; I was forced to play by these rules. I would like, however, to call on Governor Jon Corzine to buy into his own ethics claims and play within the same rules I have to."
ROONEY: There's been criticism of you for accepting public financing in 2005, and now again for 2009. You are a conservative and you oppose the Clean Elections legislation. How can you take public matching funds? I did get a kick out of your one comment on this, that it was "the best money New Jersey taxpayers ever spent."
LONEGAN: And I don't mean to be flippant, but I do actually think that's the case. Those are the rules that I have to play by. I didn't make these rules; I was forced to play by these rules. I would like, however, to call on Governor Jon Corzine to buy into his own ethics claims and play within the same rules I have to. In other words: raise money, convince people that you're the best candidate, and be a part of the system. I don't have the ability to put $60 million of my own money into this race. The state's matching funds system is the standard for the governor's race, and like my very good friend Assemblywomen Alison McHose from Sussex County who worked with me to defeat the Clean Elections bill, she also was forced to be part of the legislative Clean Elections program. But those are the rules.
Now, another option: Corzine and the Legislature can agree to drop all fundraising limitations, so I can go raise as much as I want from whomever I want, and we can do business that way.
ROONEY: Or he could just "spread the wealth" and cut you a check.
LONEGAN: Yea, you never know! Maybe there's some donor out there that's going to cut me a $60 million check. But at the end of the day, it's about who can get the better message out. I am not afraid of Jon Corzine's money. I don't care how much he spends. Jon Corzine is going to have to spend an awesome amount of money to explain to people why we are the most over-taxed state in the country, why our friends and neighbors are leaving, and why we're in much worse shape than we were 4 years ago. I don't have to outspend him. I just have to get a conservative message out to voters to win, and we're going to do that.
By the way, by the time I'm done putting Jon Corzine through a campaign, he's going to have to spend so much of his money, he's going to have to end up living in one of those COAH housing units he's building.
ROONEY: We're going to have a 100 thousand of them- he can have his pick.
On Attacking Nick Asselta Over Paid Family Leave
"I have no apologies, and I intend to bring that type of discipline and leadership to the entire Republican Party statewide on votes that are so critical to taxpayers and the future of our economy."
ROONEY: Back in 2007, you sent out a mailer criticizing Nick Asselta for his support of paid family leave-
LONEGAN: Now, let me correct you. I did mailer, robo-calls and radio spots, because the paid family leave bill is the biggest anti-business, anti-taxpayer new tax passed in the last four years. It is a sell-out to the labor unions, particularly the goverment labor union and, you know, Senator Asselta abandoned his Republican principles and the values of the Republican Party because he thought he could get himself union votes. And that is intolerable for the Republican Party, and that is exactly why the Republican Party is in the position it's in today.
I would also remind you that Senator Asselta cast the vote necessary for Governor Corzine's new school funding formula. And at the end of the day, he was rewarded with a fat, juicy job at the Board of Public Utilities. I have no apologies, and I intend to bring that type of discipline and leadership to the entire Republican Party statewide on votes that are so critical to taxpayers and the future of our economy.
On Transitioning from Establishment Outsider to Party Leader
"If we get everybody together, pulling their oars together, then we cannot be beaten."
ROONEY: At the same time, you've positioned yourself as an outsider to the current GOP establishment. It's something you've had to deal with, but at the same time, it's also something you've embraced. If you win this primary, and you're the leader of our party, how are you going to approach dealing with this party where a lot of people don't necessarily agree with you and I on all of these issues?
LONEGAN: We're going to be bringing our Republican candidates from across the state on board for education, for discussion, for training, for messaging, for pointers on how to articulate our core principles. Our number one issue will be taxes, taxes, taxes, and then taxes again. How we're going to cut the size of government, and how we're going to get our point across to the media. And we're going to get everybody together. If we get everybody together, pulling their oars together, then we cannot be beaten. But that's not going to happen unless you adhere to the most core principles, unless you get everybody philosophically understanding how critical it is to move the state in the right direction.
We need to bring all the conservatives to the table. We need pro-lifers. We need the gun guys, the school voucher people, we need the home-schoolers, we need the anti-tax people, we need the fiscal conservatives; we need everyone understanding that New Jersey needs strong leadership for the Republican Party because our whole future is at stake here.
ROONEY: I agree with you that conservative values win elections. At the same time, I worry about Republicans participating in too many friendly fire-fights instead of rallying around the issues we can all agree on- low taxes, limited government, transparency, etc. You have a difficult job ahead of you, and I certainly don't envy you for wanting to try this.
LONEGAN: No, it's a challenge, but it's a challenge that's doable. The rewards of success are abundant, insofar as our ability to improve our state, and again, to change the course of history. So it's a worthwhile endeavor, but you need to get people up and down the state writing and talking and reading about this stuff and articulating everything properly. We're working on doing that every day.
On Fielding Alternative Primary Slates in 2009
"We're building the organization and the troops to run an
effective statewide candidate and to have quality candidates in every
single district."
ROONEY: I know this is a story that one of our bloggers picked up on... there's been a lot of buzz that you may field candidates as part of alternative GOP primary slates in the event that you fail to carry a particular county line. Is this something that may be part of a Lonegan strategy?
LONEGAN: No. Our strategy is to lead by example, to lead from the top. Our strategy is to go into each convention and to meet with every elected official in the state.
We are, however, recruiting candidates in the Democrat districts. To run run quality candidates in every district where Democrats now hold office. To make sure that the Republican Party is fighting and competing in every single district. We're not going to walk away from LD-3, LD-4, LD-1, LD-18 and LD-19 because there's simply no leadership. We're building the organization and the troops to run an effective statewide candidate and to have quality candidates in every single district.
On "One Thing Jon Corzine Did Right"
ROONEY: What's one thing that Jon Corzine has actually done right?
LONEGAN: Reforms to the pension system- raising the retirement age and other tweakings to the pension system. Other than that, I really can't talk about too much. The few good things he's done have been offset by increased taxes and bigger government.
On Advice for Young Conservatives
ROONEY: My blog, like many of the political blogs out there, tends to skew to a young audience. What's your generic advice for the next generation of conservative statesmen as we try to help you and other leaders save this state?
LONEGAN: I can answer that by saying that the first thing you should always ask a candidate is "why are you running?" And therein lies the answer for young people, because I'm running to get the government off the backs of every taxpayer so they can rise to their best possible potential. And that's the cornerstone of the American Dream. That we will be able to live free of the shackles of government, but that's not what's happened in New Jersey. Government has become our enemy, not our friend. The best thing I can do is to get government off of everybody's back, and that's what this campaign is all about.
"...by the time I'm done putting Jon Corzine through a
campaign, he's going to have to spend so much of his own money, he's going
to have to end up living in one of those COAH housing units he's
building." - THE ROONEY-LONEGAN INTERVIEW: PART ONE
I wasn't sure what to expect when we began this interview. Mayor Lonegan and I had never crossed paths before. Everyone in New Jersey politics nurses a strong opinion regarding Steve Lonegan, and it's hard to really come to know a person based solely on radio spots and PolitickerNJ.com articles. But when all was said and done, I found Steve Lonegan to be a sincere, intelligent, and passionate advocate for the principles of limited governance. He has a solid command of the issues and a natural appreciation for the principles that made this nation, and New Jersey for that matter, great. Most importantly, Steve understands and rejects the symbiotic, triangular relationship between systematic corruption, big government and high taxes.
- THE ROONEY-LONEGAN INTERVIEW: PART TWO
Nevertheless, Steve Lonegan is certainly not the only candidate who believes in these things. By all early indications, the pending GOP primary battle will be one of the most far-right New Jersey intra-party gubernatorial contests in state history. It also remains to be seen exactly what kind of campaign Mayor Lonegan will ultimately mount. I found the mayor to be personally easygoing, witty and down-to-earth. However, the larger Lonegan movement will have to undergo the difficult transition from a hard-right rebellion to a broad-reaching revolution if it hopes to succeed in reshaping an electorate that hasn't given a Republican gubernatorial candidate a majority mandate since Tom Kean, Sr. The content is certainly there. It's now up to the campaign, under Mr. Lonegan's leadership, to package the message in such a way as to rally a majority of New Jerseyans. The task will be daunting, but it's definitely not impossible.
As I've said on multiple occasions, the primaries should give us the best read regarding which candidate can most effectively communicate a message of change and reform to the people of New Jersey. I'm looking forward to the coming months, and I can comfortably dare to speak for Mayor Lonegan and say that he is, too.
On Accepting Public Financing
"I didn't make these rules; I was forced to play by these rules. I would like, however, to call on Governor Jon Corzine to buy into his own ethics claims and play within the same rules I have to."
ROONEY: There's been criticism of you for accepting public financing in 2005, and now again for 2009. You are a conservative and you oppose the Clean Elections legislation. How can you take public matching funds? I did get a kick out of your one comment on this, that it was "the best money New Jersey taxpayers ever spent."
LONEGAN: And I don't mean to be flippant, but I do actually think that's the case. Those are the rules that I have to play by. I didn't make these rules; I was forced to play by these rules. I would like, however, to call on Governor Jon Corzine to buy into his own ethics claims and play within the same rules I have to. In other words: raise money, convince people that you're the best candidate, and be a part of the system. I don't have the ability to put $60 million of my own money into this race. The state's matching funds system is the standard for the governor's race, and like my very good friend Assemblywomen Alison McHose from Sussex County who worked with me to defeat the Clean Elections bill, she also was forced to be part of the legislative Clean Elections program. But those are the rules.
Now, another option: Corzine and the Legislature can agree to drop all fundraising limitations, so I can go raise as much as I want from whomever I want, and we can do business that way.
ROONEY: Or he could just "spread the wealth" and cut you a check.
LONEGAN: Yea, you never know! Maybe there's some donor out there that's going to cut me a $60 million check. But at the end of the day, it's about who can get the better message out. I am not afraid of Jon Corzine's money. I don't care how much he spends. Jon Corzine is going to have to spend an awesome amount of money to explain to people why we are the most over-taxed state in the country, why our friends and neighbors are leaving, and why we're in much worse shape than we were 4 years ago. I don't have to outspend him. I just have to get a conservative message out to voters to win, and we're going to do that.
By the way, by the time I'm done putting Jon Corzine through a campaign, he's going to have to spend so much of his money, he's going to have to end up living in one of those COAH housing units he's building.
ROONEY: We're going to have a 100 thousand of them- he can have his pick.
On Attacking Nick Asselta Over Paid Family Leave
"I have no apologies, and I intend to bring that type of discipline and leadership to the entire Republican Party statewide on votes that are so critical to taxpayers and the future of our economy."
ROONEY: Back in 2007, you sent out a mailer criticizing Nick Asselta for his support of paid family leave-
LONEGAN: Now, let me correct you. I did mailer, robo-calls and radio spots, because the paid family leave bill is the biggest anti-business, anti-taxpayer new tax passed in the last four years. It is a sell-out to the labor unions, particularly the goverment labor union and, you know, Senator Asselta abandoned his Republican principles and the values of the Republican Party because he thought he could get himself union votes. And that is intolerable for the Republican Party, and that is exactly why the Republican Party is in the position it's in today.
I would also remind you that Senator Asselta cast the vote necessary for Governor Corzine's new school funding formula. And at the end of the day, he was rewarded with a fat, juicy job at the Board of Public Utilities. I have no apologies, and I intend to bring that type of discipline and leadership to the entire Republican Party statewide on votes that are so critical to taxpayers and the future of our economy.
On Transitioning from Establishment Outsider to Party Leader
ROONEY: At the same time, you've positioned yourself as an outsider to the current GOP establishment. It's something you've had to deal with, but at the same time, it's also something you've embraced. If you win this primary, and you're the leader of our party, how are you going to approach dealing with this party where a lot of people don't necessarily agree with you and I on all of these issues?
LONEGAN: We're going to be bringing our Republican candidates from across the state on board for education, for discussion, for training, for messaging, for pointers on how to articulate our core principles. Our number one issue will be taxes, taxes, taxes, and then taxes again. How we're going to cut the size of government, and how we're going to get our point across to the media. And we're going to get everybody together. If we get everybody together, pulling their oars together, then we cannot be beaten. But that's not going to happen unless you adhere to the most core principles, unless you get everybody philosophically understanding how critical it is to move the state in the right direction.
We need to bring all the conservatives to the table. We need pro-lifers. We need the gun guys, the school voucher people, we need the home-schoolers, we need the anti-tax people, we need the fiscal conservatives; we need everyone understanding that New Jersey needs strong leadership for the Republican Party because our whole future is at stake here.
ROONEY: I agree with you that conservative values win elections. At the same time, I worry about Republicans participating in too many friendly fire-fights instead of rallying around the issues we can all agree on- low taxes, limited government, transparency, etc. You have a difficult job ahead of you, and I certainly don't envy you for wanting to try this.
LONEGAN: No, it's a challenge, but it's a challenge that's doable. The rewards of success are abundant, insofar as our ability to improve our state, and again, to change the course of history. So it's a worthwhile endeavor, but you need to get people up and down the state writing and talking and reading about this stuff and articulating everything properly. We're working on doing that every day.
On Fielding Alternative Primary Slates in 2009
ROONEY: I know this is a story that one of our bloggers picked up on... there's been a lot of buzz that you may field candidates as part of alternative GOP primary slates in the event that you fail to carry a particular county line. Is this something that may be part of a Lonegan strategy?
LONEGAN: No. Our strategy is to lead by example, to lead from the top. Our strategy is to go into each convention and to meet with every elected official in the state.
We are, however, recruiting candidates in the Democrat districts. To run run quality candidates in every district where Democrats now hold office. To make sure that the Republican Party is fighting and competing in every single district. We're not going to walk away from LD-3, LD-4, LD-1, LD-18 and LD-19 because there's simply no leadership. We're building the organization and the troops to run an effective statewide candidate and to have quality candidates in every single district.
On "One Thing Jon Corzine Did Right"
ROONEY: What's one thing that Jon Corzine has actually done right?
LONEGAN: Reforms to the pension system- raising the retirement age and other tweakings to the pension system. Other than that, I really can't talk about too much. The few good things he's done have been offset by increased taxes and bigger government.
On Advice for Young Conservatives
ROONEY: My blog, like many of the political blogs out there, tends to skew to a young audience. What's your generic advice for the next generation of conservative statesmen as we try to help you and other leaders save this state?
LONEGAN: I can answer that by saying that the first thing you should always ask a candidate is "why are you running?" And therein lies the answer for young people, because I'm running to get the government off the backs of every taxpayer so they can rise to their best possible potential. And that's the cornerstone of the American Dream. That we will be able to live free of the shackles of government, but that's not what's happened in New Jersey. Government has become our enemy, not our friend. The best thing I can do is to get government off of everybody's back, and that's what this campaign is all about.
~~~
- THE ROONEY-LONEGAN INTERVIEW: PART ONE
- THE ROONEY-LONEGAN INTERVIEW: PART TWO
Wow! I'm impressed...but, not really surprised. I always expected great things of you!
Gail Harris
2nd Grade/Oaklyn
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Above are reports and attachments including a 5.20.08 Motion that I paid for but was never filed or argued because all four of my divorce attorneys were paid off. My former inlaws and their business partners and allies stole millions from me unlawfully during Burlington County Superior Court Divorce Proceedings and Post Divorce Proceedings.
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Cc: criminal.division@usdoj.gov; a.brian.albritton@usdoj.gov; chris.griffiths@usdoj.gov; AskDOJ@usdoj.gov
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Lonegan has raised over half a million dollars. That amount puts him significantly ahead in the field of current and potential candidates. As for those who may have had any doubt about how serious a run for the nomination Lonegan would make, the half a million he raised and the half a million that he will receive in matching funds makes for a million reasons to take his candidacy seriously. And that is just so far. More money is coming.
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Improbable as it may seem, there is something to this comparison. For instance, when I ask Lonegan about the first thing he would do if elected, I expect him to invoke some version of his fiery campaign pledge to gut the state budget by 20 percent. (”I feel like a kid in a candy shop. There are so many places to cut,” Lonegan once told the Philadelphia Inquirer.) But instead he gives an unexpectedly pragmatic answer. “The first thing I would do, and the thing I am already doing, is working to recruit the brightest minds because the governor right out of the box puts into place about 180 key policy people, policy people who will run different departments, and I need those people who understand limited government, free-market principles, and how to get to that point. That’s the biggest challenge: putting the best possible team togethe
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